As someone who has experienced emotional abuse as well, I find it ironic in the saddest way that Pengo seems to be reflecting what was done to him onto PK. It's harmful and self destructive. He's never going to get better that way.
My family is really f*ed up. My brother somehow "forgets" events and rewrites them after they happen. Same with my dad, but towards my mom. its REALLY common for abusers to put all the blame on the victim, and people should be more aware of that. its hard sometimes if you're like me and have a hard time deciphering stuff but. this is a tactic used by people to silence victims and im sorry that people are attacking PK on a word and won't listen to their (their, right?) side of the story.
i think people are aware of that but they still believe the first thing they read, so they’ve accused mel of doing it to pengo lol
but yeah that’s something mel’s mom did to her all the time when she was a kid; just completely rewrite history to make it out like mel was actively out to get her. over the course of years. same thing pengo is doing in his callout. that’s what gaslighting looks like, and it’s seriously fucked up; it’s not all this pissing and moaning about “wahh you told pengo he’s wrong because he’s actually wrong”
and it works! because it’s surprisingly difficult to believe that other people, even complete strangers, aren’t telling us the truth. even if it’s not deliberate. we trust everyone to be genuine about their experiences.
people hear pengo first, assume he’s relaying events correctly, assume mel is thus a villain with a twirly moustache, and conclude that anything she does is not to be trusted. but why? there’s no good reason. it’s really just two people telling different versions of events. but you hear one first, you assume the speaker is pure and flawless by default, and that sticks harder than any amount of rock-solid evidence to the contrary.
(there are rather a lot of parallels here to whatever other inexplicable conspiracy theory you care to name, like anti-vaxxers. they heard a thing from someone they felt they ought to trust, and they built up a framework of iffy other stuff around it, and now no amount of fact will contradict them. and they try to distract the issue into other things like whether parents should have the right to decide to vaccinate their kids, because it lets them avoid examining whether they’re actually wrong, etc.)
UHH anyway sorry you have to deal with that crap damn. we kinda lucked out having most of this happen online where it was logged, but as you can see, having a literal record of what actually happened doesn’t always help either! so i hope you can just get outta there as soon as possible :(
some followup nonsense
We've reached a point at which pk coming out about suicidal thoughts is being held against her. It's getting... nauseating. Perhaps you should make a cut here since it's obvious this can't be reasoned with and pumping more reblogs into it may only serve to delay its well deserved end? I don't know. Either way, fuck this, hope you'll be better soon.
“haha let’s trivialize someone for the suicidal thoughts that we gave them. that’ll show them just how much i care about social justice and fighting ableism”
i’m kinda running out of steam and there’s not much more to be said i suppose
somehow i don’t think my reblogs are gonna keep this going when it otherwise wouldn’t, though. accusations of abuse are juicy high school gossip. accusations that oh oops everyone is actually a huge jackass for spreading that… not so much.
at least i’ve eased yesterday’s anxiety with all this furious typing
the truth is on our side, anyway. people will believe whatever they want to believe, and the world will continue to turn
How can Pengo straight up ignore what he's started? He's just doing his thing as if he didn't unleash a shit storm that had potential to ruin people's lives. I can't comprehend it. I'm an objective viewer and I've read all the things, I love PK and how strong she's been and you've been awesomely supportive. I don't dislike Pengo either, I'm just majorly confused by his behavior in this entire thing.
well i mean it took him 14 months to decide to respond to mel’s rant, which i think he said he didn’t directly read anyway, and then another month to actually write his response
i don’t think he handles confrontation well
i am kinda done being nice and polite about this
y'all are merrily spreading a vicious accusation and even piling your own new crap on top of it, and an increasing number of people are freely admitting they didn’t even read anything about the original situation!
you are creating an environment where it is impossible to clear your name after an abuse allegation, even if you have a hard counter to all of it. no one will read your response. no one will even read the complaint! and claiming innocence is just the sort of thing a guilty person would do.
that is wildly irresponsible and irrational. that is cruel. that is evil.
and i will not abide it.
PS: i hope you realize, the harder you push for this brave new world where the first person to yell “abuse” controls the truth, the easier it’ll be for one of your exes to do this to you. i sure hope all of your breakups were amicable.
Seeing you mention your opinion on the whole pk drama, what's your opinion on lexyeevee's rebuttal of pengo's callout?
i don’t care about the rebuttals. i also didn’t read most of the original callout post. because of this, i tried to write it off as “drama i didn’t want to get involved with” until recently. but then i saw this post that cleared a lot of things up for me. the final nail in the coffin, though, was when i took a closer look at the things they said recently. in their incredibly long comic about them allegedly NOT being an abuser, pk proved that they are, in fact, abusive. they displayed classic abuse tactics i’ve seen a million times such as
belittling the people who accuse them of abuse:




and, my personal favorite, saying they almost committed suicide to get people to stop criticizing them:



that should be a HUGE RED FLAG, but if that isn’t enough for you, the biggest red flag of all is this:

like, oh, how convenient! pk was only accused of EMOTIONAL abuse, so that means that, according to pk’s rules, telling everyone about it was inherently evil regardless of whether or not the callout was true!! everybody who’s a victim of emotional abuse should just work things out privately!!!! they’re also using this to shift the responsibility onto their ex (another abuse tactic) for not trying harder to “resolve things.” because abusers are SO easy to reason with
these are all the typical examples of abuser behaviors. there’s nothing new about the way they act, the only difference is that they’re a popular artist
so to summarize this post
you freely admit you don’t care what either the accused or the victim have to say for themselves, but you’re gonna form and broadcast your baseless opinion anyway
you criticize someone’s depiction of a post that you just said you didn’t read, based entirely on the assumption that the post depicts abuse, which you can’t know if you didn’t read it
you think it’s gaslighting when someone has hard evidence that their version of events is correct — meanwhile you and many others are telling pk over and over that she is abusive when she is not but that’s totally different, for some reason
you think it’s somehow unreasonable for someone to feel suicidal when their friends and thousands of strangers turn on them over false accusations, and call it a huge red flag that someone would admit to contemplating suicide
and you think she is shifting responsibility onto pengo for trying hard to resolve things, even though they had a very long conversation at the end of their relationship during which things seemingly were resolved, and then pengo apparently blocked her forever, which you would know if you had read the rebuttal and weren’t talking entirely out your ass
you are trivializing suicide, helping repeat a lie, pushing all the blame onto one person and basing your harsh opinion of them on shit you completely made up
wow, this sounds familiar. it actually fits your own definition of “typical examples of abuser behaviors”! i suppose you’ll now ignore me or handwave me away, because as you know, abusers are really difficult to reason with.
i wish i could show my support without people blindly hating me?? i know thats selfish but
every person showing support makes the blind hate a little less fashionable
i totally understand though, don’t get involved if you can’t deal with the fallout for whatever reason
it has come to my attention
that the internet justice hate mob is now stooping to sending nasty asks to people who express support for purplekecleon
in at least a couple cases this has successfully intimidated people into deleting their posts, or not making them in the first place
I REMIND YOU that two of pengo’s accusations were friend policing and silencing tactics, which wow sure sound a whole lot like exactly the thing you’re doing now? ?????
y'all are hypocrites and bullies of the worst kind
and of course you don’t send any of this crap to me, because you know you don’t have a leg to stand on and i will grind your pissy ask into dust. so you go harass everyone else. class fuckin act.
but actually, it’s about ethics in dating
last night it occurred to me:
the rebuttal explains exactly when mel decided to seek legal advice, and it was a pretty goddamn reasonable response imo
so anyone baffled or appalled that she did so… must not have read the rebuttal! what an utter shock that is
This is also the last I wish to discuss about this subject of the pk #abuse callout bc the response has been ultimately extremely draining and exhausting for me to the point that I have been extremely anxious for the last 4-5 hours. If i didn’t make it clear before, I’m taking the side of pengo. I also do not wish to hear pk’s side of the story.
Please do not make claims that I’m stopping discussion bc I’m scared of being wrong or anything along those lines of an argument as that is not the truth behind why I am stopping this discussion.
Asks pertaining to the post will be deleted.
Thank you for your time.
oh. well then. nevermind, i guess.
i am sorry for your stress, though for what it’s worth i have been extremely anxious all day watching people spread stories about my partner that aren’t true. i’m very sad to hear that you won’t even give the accused a chance to defend themselves.
have you seen my response to pengo's callout? it fills in a lot of logs he no longer had and clears up a lot of details that weren't quite right (for example, he never actually told pk about the death resulting from the car accident)
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Mobile has messed up my reply three times now so I’ll keep it brief.
No I have not seen it. I’m also emotionally drained and exhausted from the response of the post. Also, I’m pretty sure that pengo wrote in his post that he never told pk bc pk had no desire to hear it, and considering the hostile environment that pengo describes I’m not surprised.
i’ve been dating pk for seven years and i don’t know what he was talking about. they only dated for a month or so, and most of what he described happened over the course of a three-day convention and the weeks leading up to it.
here is a tldr version with a link to the full one, but the full response is (naturally) twice as long as pengo’s post so i dunno if a phone will appreciate it haha. http://lexyeevee.tumblr.com/post/116488039087/pengosolvent-versus-the-truth-a-rebuttal
and no, he wrote in his post that “i tried to give the context that pk is “unaware” of as the event was happening.” i looked over all the logs and he never told her. even in his own screenshots all he told her was “and then her mom got into an accident and a huge shitfest erupted in her house” — pk didn’t know anyone had died until we read it in the callout post! he didn’t even specify it was a car accident, which would’ve explained why curly couldn’t go to a print shop. it was just that one line.
i pored over (and included) tons of logs where they talked pretty openly about how they were feeling; there was no shred of hostility between them until a whole series of misunderstandings during that convention. over a year later, i guess pengo mainly remembered the bad parts and none of the followup conversations or apologies? i don’t know. but he gets important little details wrong, like the stuff about the car accident, and it makes pk look a million times worse than what actually happened — which was just a conflict of personalities and a breakup.
People are seriously making a bunch of stuff up about Pk and/or making a huge deal about things. For example, Pk is a horrible person for drawing certain kinds of porn. ???
oh yeah a couple weeks ago i saw an anon tell someone that mel was transmisogynous, which is… completely baffling, and news to me
also various accusations that she sent people to make rape threats (there were no rape threats) or threatened to doxx pengo (this did not happen)
people are happy to just outright make stuff up. and why not, it’s not like anything bad will happen to them for lying
It isn't fair, but it's kind of like the people sending mean asks to PK and their followers. They abuse to punish abuse. The logic feels the same. If you don't think it's a good thing to do, don't do it, you know? Believe me, my family and I have been attacked by lies like this before, so I know how it eats you. But you have to accept what you can't change, mourn your old life and move on.. Rip off the band-aid sooner to make it easier, imo. Anyway, I hope things get better for you and PK soon.
i’m not seeking to abuse anyone; i’m genuinely dying to know what these people actually think mel’s sin was. because nobody actually discusses it; they just pass on the summary, “pk is an abuser”. or they link the callout, which i remain convinced few people have even read. if anyone even hints at what she did wrong, it’s something she did in reaction to pengo’s callout — some behavior that’s only abusive if she was actually guilty of abuse in the first place.
i’m having a really hard time understanding how there can be a lot of people who are absolutely confident someone is abusive, without being to name a single abusive thing they’ve done. that doesn’t rely on circular reasoning, anyway.
i’m not actively looking for trouble any more at least. i have been barred from searching tumblr. everyone i talked at today was either linked to me or in the notes on mel’s posts. wow that’s a lot of people :(
this is similar to what i expressed when we first found the callout
people called me ableist and said that “feigning” sympathy for someone was a classic abuse tactic
i don’t even know what’s real any more