I apologize for the preposterous length of this document. Which is linked above, if that weren’t obvious. This post isn’t the response; it’s a shorter cover letter for the response. Yes, I know, “shorter”. There was a lot to respond to.
I’ve done this once before, to respond to the original callout from Pengo. I foolishly assumed that filling in all the gaps in his logs would put the entire matter to bed, but I was wrong. I’m still not sure if responding to him accomplished much at all, so it’s been hard to muster up the will to respond to subsequent callouts.
I’m sure I haven’t even scratched the surface here, but there’s only so much I can slog through. Writing this has been emotionally and physically exhausting. We don’t keep up with this stuff because it’s so draining to pore over through pages and pages of people talking about how awful they think you are.
I’ll respond to follow-up questions as I can (though probably on a side blog so I don’t flood everyone’s dashes), but I doubt I’ll produce something of this magnitude again anytime soon. I happened to start writing this just before my computer died, so I had little else to do for a few days — but now I have some serious catching up to do on work I’d intended to finish before the end of month.
There’s a lot in the document, and I understand that most people won’t want to read it all. So I’d like to talk about the accusation that I was responsible for the worst event of my life: the death of my young cat, Styx.
Styx died of FIP — a mutation of a very common and mostly harmless cat virus. FIP is hard to test for, has no known cure or even treatment, and kills virtually every cat within a few weeks of the first symptoms. Cats with weaker immune systems are more susceptible, so it’s more likely to hit very young cats. It’s a cruel, cruel disease.
Unfortunately, the only way to prevent FIP is to prevent the cat from ever catching the original harmless virus, which is very difficult in high-population places like catteries. Styx came from a cattery, and since all our cats are indoor cats, that’s almost certainly where he caught it.
One of the people behind these callout blogs suggests that Styx’s death is my fault. The reasoning, as I understand it, is that Styx died of an illness that’s spread mostly through feces, and they have a photo showing that Pearl had had an accident on our cat tree.
But this gets the details wrong. It’s the original, harmless virus that spreads through feces — and it does so because cats share litterboxes. Even if Styx hadn’t almost certainly brought it home with him in the first place, even if we’d known about it, even if our house were pristine at all times, preventing it from spreading would’ve been very difficult. And Pearl, who has accidents because she has IBS, wasn’t even born yet when Styx died.
My best guess is that someone read a paragraph on Wikipedia, saw a photo that had some stray cat poop in it, and concluded that Styx’s death was my fault. Both of the source facts are even true, so the story looks “proven”, even though 90% of it is either speculation or a misunderstanding of the details. Look how much shorter and punchier the false story is than the real one, too. That’s how this stuff spreads so easily.
Most of what I’ve read on these blogs is of similar quality.
They accuse glip of trying to lure children into seeing porn, because glip’s separate SFW and NSFW comic sites are, somehow, not separate enough. Meanwhile, their own blogs and posts — some about glip’s porn and serious sexual topics — appear prominently in SFW Tumblr searches for the SFW “floraverse” tag.
They accuse glip of scamming Kickstarter backers, but they don’t even get the right Kickstarter. They don’t bother to contact the people they’re using as evidence — people who are, in fact, quite happy with their backer rewards.
They call us out for being mean to people online, and cite snarky remarks from years ago that we’ve long since apologized for. Again, they don’t bother to ask the other people who were involved.
They accuse glip of inciting harassment by posting someone’s tweets with only the handle hidden, not the avatar. Later in the same post, they include completely uncensored tweets about trans representation from a trans woman they disagree with — neglecting to identify her as trans, but emphasizing that the person she was talking to is genderfluid. They then publish a couple anonymous asks gossipping about that trans woman.
They accuse glip of poor asexual representation over a character who draws from glip’s own experience with asexuality. They accuse glip of making a character too stereotypically autistic, but the character is based heavily on me.
They say repeatedly that glip’s work has poor trans representation, which is something we’d both definitely be interested in fixing. But they never say what would improve the work, only that it’s “obviously” fetishy (and not why). Our own trans friends, meanwhile, find their criticism downright offensive.
They’ve complained that I keep dismissing their accusations as mostly made up, even though the logs and screenshots are real. But anyone who’s played Phoenix Wright for five minutes is familiar with the idea of a false story “proven” by legitimate evidence.
They do have one genuine new grievance, which is that we said some fucked-up things to an autistic person on our IRC some years ago. It was embarrassing and inexcusable, and I apologize to that person.
And I’d certainly be interested in their criticism of representation, if I could make heads or tails of it — and if it acknowledged that some folks actively like the representation for the same reasons that they hate it. We can’t listen to everyone if different people have contradictory criticism.
But much of the rest is gossip, conjecture presented as fact, misunderstandings, and straight up just deciding that we’re lying because they like their first impression better. Even when they’re unsure about something, instead of tracking down someone who was actually involved, they ask for other anonymous people to chime in.
We do our best, like everyone else. Sometimes we screw up, and we try to fix it — and if you think we’ve personally wronged you, you can always contact us privately. Sometimes we do or make things that different people get very different impressions of, but that’s the nature of having an audience beyond just the people we know personally.
It’s okay if some people don’t like us. It’s okay if some people don’t like our work. I don’t even mind if people call me out for things that are actually true. I try, but I know I can’t ever please everyone. But playing internet detective with people’s lives, spreading dozens of twisted stories without doing even the most basic verification, is simply vile.
Some people are saying some things again, and I don’t really have a masterpost of why those things are off the mark, so here is one. I guess I’ll update this if anything else spicy crosses my radar, for ease of linking.
(That doesn’t mean to send me new things; I don’t need to be kept constantly up to date on the latest hot takes from Breitbart Jr.)
I know this is long, which means most people won’t bother to read it. But hey, that means it must be true, right? That’s how it works for callouts, so surely it works the same way here.
I hate to dredge this up again, but the peanut gallery resurfaces every time Glip does a moderately popular thing, and I realized I don’t have a single collected list of responses. So here you go: the inverse of a callout post. A call…in?
If you haven’t read these, perhaps consider not spreading serious accusations about the relevant persons.
General advice: beware games of telephone. Pengo’s post said “potentially abusive”, based mostly on some months-old third-hand speculation, not anything that actually happened; magically, that became “known abuser”. I read an article about some philosophical and practical issues with a law, mulled it over, and now am occasionally accused of “supporting child porn” or outright being a pedo. (I do not; I am not.)
If there’s a huge gap between two dots and nothing connecting them, someone is probably bullshitting you, hoping you’ll make the leap yourself without questioning it.
Anonymous asked:
ok but what about the rape in forflor (mismatched) and pmd-e (merlot and shroomsworth)
well i didn’t actually draw either of those, but as i recall alice outright asked for confirmation and merlot is psychic
“oh deary me this isn’t what i had in mind at all but i not-so-secretly like it” is a super common porn trope so i don’t know why people started picking on mel for it specifically
edit: this got a little too snarky and hurt the wrong person, my bad
I didn’t expect to make a post like this, but we’ve had several people come forward with similarly horrid tales to what Marl and I are going through in regards to spaggledagger/Sarah/Lain. Please scroll past this if you can’t handle it - I’ll stick it under a cut for those who can.
eevee why are so many people determined to try to destroy you and your partners' lives b/c this is getting ridiculous
lmao i have absolutely no idea.
maybe there’s a cycle here, like:
people hear some juicy gossip and spread it
it turns out to be false so the people who spread it now feel foolish
those people feel resentful towards the original target for “causing” them to feel foolish
so when some new juicy gossip comes along they are even more invested in believing it, because if the target turns out to be Bad for different reasons, it would tenuously justify contributing to the previous mob
And more bigotry. Good to see they learned nothing.
Some choice quotes:
“Aug 11 07:47:20 Angel i have begun to grow extremely wary of anyone who’s recently been dismissed from a psych ward, and anyone who has memory issues, and anyone with multiple disorders
Aug 11 07:47:29 Angel because they are really good at liking to make up things about me for attention
Aug 11 07:47:49 Angel about me and people around me"
I would like to point out this log is from today. So their views haven’t changed much from the screenshots about Autism before.
hey here is a hot tip
if you don’t want people to become wary of anyone who’s recently been dismissed from a psych ward and has multiple disorders… maybe tell people fitting that description to stop making shit up and antagonizing us with it? ♥ because it sure is happening a lot
and then people show up to defend them because whoever writes something juicy first is clearly telling the truth, right?
it can’t possibly be that some people with mental illnesses are actually sometimes wrong, even though that’s literally the fucking definition of a mental illness. no, clearly pk is a cartoon villain. that makes way more sense.
just a reminder: those logs don’t show what you think they show, maybe you should try actually reading them
*reads pages and pages of increasingly outlandish accusations* “wow this is some heavy stuff, amazing this person does all this and gets away with it”
“uh hey none of that is true”
“pff, what, are you saying this person told a lie? that’s absurd” *keeps reading, makes up some more stuff to feel involved*
i am just going to explode
nothing exemplifies this whole sordid tale better than someone posting screenshots of logs and claiming pk said something that those same logs show she didn’t say
and people eating it up anyway and then accusing her to her face of “literally” saying the thing
Anonymous asked:
I really don't get how people can take the new "callout" thing seriously, like it starts by this kid admitting, that it did wrong, it says it got on an ADULT chat even though they are no adult and complain about getting exposed to adult stuff. that's like typing "porn" in google and complaining that porn comes up. also how they say pk hates autistics and is ableist even though pk has written how they strongly suspect being autistic themselves before. also "sociopath" is not an ableist term(co
(cont.) “sociopath” is an actual disorder and
comparing one disorder to another is not ableist at all, bc it’ a fact
that mental disorders are comorbid as hell and tend to have similiar
symptoms. How am I supposed to take the rest siriously when the first
paragraph is already full of bullshit? so yeah, sorry you have to deal
with such shit on a regular basis, hope it dies down quickly
she wasn’t even fucking comparing autism and sociopathy, it was a segue because she’d been reading about various mental illnesses in a book about psychology
“here is some interesting stuff about autism” “also here is some interesting stuff about sociopaths”
like jesus fucking christ did anyone even read the log it DISPROVES THE THING THAT SOME IDIOT WROTE BELOW IT i am going to blow up the entire world
also tbh i am not sure on the current status of “sociopath”; i’ve heard it may have been rolled into another disorder or something
This post was written by Eevee (my partner) and pertains me, Eevee, and Marl (my husband) and rumors made up about us.
There have been some accusations from a person named Sarah/Lain, but who we knew as spaggledagger. We would like to set the record straight.
PK did not compare autistic people to sociopaths
You can read the logs yourself in the exact same post that makes this claim.
<PK> know what also <PK> the section on sociopaths was creepy <PK> they’re like emotionless robots
This was a segue; there was no comparison to autism whatsoever.
Note from PK: I was reading a book about brains and how they work, and talking about it there. I have no idea how anyone could misread the conversation as comparing autistic people to sociopaths or calling them “emotionless demons” (where did that even come from?).
That’s not what “freezing ram” means
She says: The CSA dept at my area police said that even if Marl freezes his ram chat logs will still be able to be recovered.
That doesn’t make sense. “Freezing RAM” is a technique for getting information off of encrypted hard drives; it’s not something a criminal would want to do. I’ve also never heard of it being done in the field, only for the sake of writing academic papers. Even if it’s in use, it would be by the FBI, not area police. This conversation almost certainly didn’t happen.
She told us where she lived
She says, now: I am still paranoid about that to this day because they mentioned living just down the street from the area I live in.
When she first came into #forbiddenflora, a few people mistook her for someone else (“X” below) because her hostname was the same - which was the only reason anyone mentioned it.
[Feb 22, 2014 #forbiddenflora] 19:00 < spaggled> im in [urban area] also 19:00 < spaggled> OMG 19:00 <~PK> yeah we mistook your ip for the same 19:00 <~PK> but it’s just barely different 19:00 < X> EVEN on the same internet provider 19:00 < X> [isp] 19:00 < spaggled> JESUS CHRIST 19:00 <~PK> yeah 19:01 < spaggled> im laughing 19:01 < Marl> spaggled and X are secretly neighbors 19:01 < spaggled> I am in [town] 19:01 < X> FIUAHSfjkhafjks 19:01 < X> Jesus fucking christ 19:01 < spaggled> are you going to the doge parade tomorrow 19:01 < X> Marl, you are correct, we are secretly neighbors, how the hell did that happen? 19:01 < spaggled> what 19:01 < spaggled> we are??? 19:01 < X> Yeah 19:01 < spaggled> holy shit 19:01 < X> [town] is withing 10 minutes driving distance 19:02 <~PK> wow 19:02 < spaggled> oh my god
It was a pretty friendly and humorous introduction, in which she freely told everyone the town she lives in.
And… all that stuff about Marl
The conversations with Marl did not happen. None of the quotes she attributes to Marl sound anything like how he types, if you’ve ever seen him do so.
Curiously, the first time she tried to tell this story (and apologized for not having logs), a newcomer appeared in the channel the very same day to ask:
[Oct 14, 2014 #flora] 20:07 » constantine […] has joined #flora 20:08 < constantine> hello … 20:08 < constantine> before i get too much into this chat, does this server log? … 20:09 » constantine was kicked from #flora by eevee [it does not]
Also, she says: He described to me how he’d enjoy having sex with me in a “perfect fantasy land where nothing was illegal or wrong.” Marl did use a couple of those words, in public:
[Feb 27, 2014 #forbiddenflora - some side conversation elided] 15:15 < eryl> the idea of a sort of fleeting no-strings-attached fling at a con i guess has its appeal but i can’t help but thing about how awkward it would be rofl 15:15 < eryl> think 15:15 < Spaggled> yah 15:16 < iMarl> also yeah eryl it sounds neat in theory 15:16 <!eevee> the idea is super hot to me but in practice it doesn’t really work 15:18 < iMarl> I’d probably give it a try in a perfect fantasy world
Emphasis mine. Marl was talking about having a no-strings-attached fling at a con, not talking about spaggle.
This was not her “first experience with anything really sexual”
She says, now: It was my first experience with anything really sexual like that, or anyone talking that way to me.
She said, at the time:
[Feb 23, 2014 #forbiddenflora] 12:23 < Spaggled> idk im new i like porn, art and vidya hello 12:24 < Spaggled> dear god, thanks for making me hot. amen
[Mar 1, 2014 #forbiddenflora] 15:26 < spaggled> i wanna merge my porn blog into my personal but people from shcool 15:27 < spaggled> one time i reblogged yuri porn and someone came up to me 15:27 < spaggled> “sarah..why do you have…gays…on your blog” 15:27 < spaggled> i laughed so hard
[Mar 3, 2014 #forbiddenflora] 11:16 < spaggly> im drawn gallium girl porn be prepared
She brought up porn, mentioned reblogging porn (and having an entire porn blog), showed us porn she was drawing. As for no one ever “talking that way” to her, here is more of an earlier conversation:
[Feb 27, 2014 #forbiddenflora] 15:13 < Spaggled> lol 15:13 < Spaggled> my now ex boyfriend planned on barebacking me at the con and of course i didnt let him get any 15:13 < Spaggled> and he was whiny for the next month or so
We didn’t know spaggle was 13 until the day she left
Little hints like drawing porn and saying stuff like this sure made it sound like she was much older:
[Feb 28, 2014 #forbiddenflora] [15:01] <spaggled> guess whos on their 6th jello shot [15:01] <spaggled> me [15:01] <spaggled> dakjjlasd
But I also cannot find a single line in any of my logs where she says she’s 13. What I did find is a conversation between several of us the day she left.
Some context: on March 5, spaggle invited a friend to the IRC, and the two of them were moderately disruptive. The people who found their behavior annoying tried to explain to them what the problem was, to little avail, and the conversation grew heated a couple times.
On March 7, spaggle made some tweets about the situation that are now deleted, but our discussion in #flora makes clear that she’d been complaining about “ageism” and in the process had revealed her age to us for the first time.
[Mar 7, 2014 #flora] 12:51 <@PK> [spaggle tweet link] how can this be a real tweet 12:51 <@PK> how can this be ar eal thing a real person think 12:51 <@PK> s 12:51 <@PK> how dare i talk about not wanting immature children around me 12:51 <@PK> thats just Ageist … 12:56 <!eevee> haven’t we had a cool 13yo in here, or in pmde 12:56 <@PK> yes eevee 12:57 <@PK> we’ve had plenty of young cool kids 12:57 <@PK> im fine with them normally but immature young kids are the absolute worst to handle … 12:59 < Shi> 13 in this country is like 12:59 < Shi> “gays exist?” … 12:59 < beepo> 13 is the worst because the middle school kids are at the top of their school hierarchy so they have this sense of condescension around them 12:59 <@PK> yeah beepo 13:00 <@PK> thats what it felt like with them coming into the chat
[#forbiddenflora] 13:08 <@Ko> can we revisit the part where they’re 13 years old … 13:11 < iMarl> honestly imo just remove them 13:11 < iMarl> they’re 13 … 13:16 < iMarl> i was not like this when i was 13
I found no other mentions of anyone being 13 the entire time she was present. There’s no indication in our logs whatsoever that we, or anyone else in the chat, knew her age until the day she left.
She wasn’t even kicked out; she came in, argued a bit more, then left and basically never returned right around this time. The true cause for her leaving was apparently this argument about how she and her friend had started disrupting the channel out of nowhere.
13:17 <!eevee> i don’t even know what happened hasn’t she been here for like two weeks and fine
She has done this before
Someone else saw PK’s tweets on March 7 and sent this email (emphasis mine):
Hey,
I’m a moderator of a small webcomic community at [redacted]. I might be too late to the party to be useful, but I saw that [spaggle] person attacking you on Twitter and I wanted to give a warning.
In general she seems to have a history of getting into fights and harassing people, and weird/creepy solicitations.
Last summer, we banned her from our community due to breaking several rules and begging for sexually explicit info from adults. She and some of her friends then proceeded to harass users and moderators on IRC and Tumblr and other sites, as well as attempted to spread lies about “abusing” them. I can’t verify this info but one of these friends later told us that she was 12 at that time, so this is wildly inappropriate behavior.
To sum up, I think [spaggle] is a destructive individual and I would advise taking actions to prevent her from doing the same to your community. Feel free to contact me at this address if you need any further information, or help.
~[redacted]
By the way, Eevee is not defending child porn
The context is right in the screenshotted tweets: basically i am squicked by the idea that merely possessing some particular information should ever be illegal
This is the same kind of train of thought as: I am uncomfortable with the idea that merely saying words should ever be illegal, therefore we should not have laws against using slurs. That doesn’t mean I think using slurs is good; it means I think moral panic shouldn’t override our usual criteria for what makes a good law.
The world would surely be a better place without CP. The world would also be a better place if teenagers weren’t labeled sex offenders for the rest of their lives for taking photos of themselves, and art gallery websites didn’t have to wring their hands over whether Harry Potter slash art counts as CP.
It would also be a better place if people could so much as ponder the issue aloud without being accused of defending abhorrent behavior, much the same way that discussions of free speech are usually understood to not imply all speech is good.
She has no evidence, no corroborators, not even another person with a similar story. Yet she’s threatened multiple times to multiple people to file a police report and has never done so, even going so far as to come back to IRC to taunt Marl about it.
We barely know anything about her, we certainly have no interest in interacting with her in any way, and we would very much like her to leave us alone. This is what we have wanted for a year and a half now. And as soon as she thought we didn’t have any logs, she began her rumor-mongering.
I didn’t want to write this post, but someone is harassing me and they won’t leave me alone. I’m getting tired of it.
For the past year and a half, someone by the name of spaggledagger / k1ttenfish / QueenDazzle / spaggly / flyentologist / pinktractorbeams / irresponsiblecaptaintaylor / radiosarah has been actively harassing me by way of spreading horribly explicit rumors regarding me.
And they aren’t true.
They have made several posts about me, and have always used my wife’s name to drum up attention. Everything they have done has been calculated to attempt to cause me as much grief as possible, with no concern for truth or acceptable behavior.
Until now, I’ve done my best to ignore her and her attempts at harassment. That was a mistake on my part. I should have made this post seventeen months ago, when the rumors began. I know better, now.
I’m going to rant a bit. If you’re okay with this, read on.
If not, don’t.
I won’t reblog their post. It’s sickening, and makes me physically ill to read. And, chances are if you’re reading this post, you already know the contents of their post.
I’m just going to address a few things in it.
Disregarding the fact that the rumors regarding me are a lie, this statement is still is a lie.
Shortly after joining our chat rooms, she announced to everyone she liked porn.
She drew porn.
She talked about how she enjoyed porn from several porn-only artists.
She talked about how her boyfriend wanted to do her bareback at a convention they met up at, and that “of course, I didn’t let him get any”.
She talked about how she sent nudes to people via phone text, and then wanted to get them in trouble for it.
She talked about how people were always getting on her case about being sexually active at her age.
This is two lies.
1: She left of her own volition. We never banned her.
2: The incident in question had nothing to do with the word “petulant”. She and her friend were copy/pasting their skype conversation / tumblr memes in our chat room, and after being subjected to the constant stream of garbage, we told them to stop. She ended up getting very defensive, and left in a huff.
This is a lie. After she voluntarily left our channels (we did not ban her; she left on her own) she has since, over the course of several months, gone out of her way twice to approach me on IRC through PMs. She approached me. Not the other way around.
In those PMs, she threatened to spread rumors about me unless I made an apology for… rumors she was going to start. She threatened that if I didn’t make up an apology, she would tell the FBI / police / child service department all about them.
I told her I hardly remembered who she even was, and that I wanted nothing to do with her. I told her to leave me and my family alone, and to never come back. She laughed at me, and I put her on ignore.
This is ridiculous. I’ve never expressed an interest in finding her whereabouts. I don’t have an interest in finding them. I just want her to leave me alone. I’ve told her this more than once, and only when she was actively threatening and harassing me.
She went out of her way to contact me, and now speaks of how she’s paranoid that I’ll go out of my way to find her. I’ve only ever told her to leave me alone, and that I had no interest in her. I still have no interest in her.
Of course I’m going to say the post is made up. It is made up. She’s done this kind of thing before, on more than one occasion.
Let that sink in a bit.
She’s done it before, to other people. She has a history of doing this. She has outright admitted that she has severe memory problems, that she’s been admitted to psychiatric hospitals several times, that she actively harasses users with made-up rumors. She herself has admitted all this, and more.
After she got upset at us and left our chat rooms, she came back and asked if our server kept logs.
She was told that no, it didn’t.
She took this to mean that nobody had logs. The rumors began shortly after that.
She only started the rumors once she thought we didn’t have logs of her interactions with us.
And, for the last seventeen months, she’s done nothing but harass me, spread rumors about me, and conspire to make my life difficult. Whenever she feels like she’s not getting enough attention over this, she makes another post. She sends emails to people I’ve dealt with in the past, “warning” them of my behavior with rumors she makes up.
For seventeen months she’s done this.
And not once in those seventeen months have I made a post regarding her. I’ve never tried to contact her. I’ve never tried to find her. I’ve never encouraged anyone to do anything to her. I’ve never mentioned her to anyone outside my immediate family, whom she was actively threatening.
I’ve only ever tried to ignore her.
She’s gone out of her way so much to harass me, and I don’t know why. I don’t care to know. The only thing of hers that was ever hurt when she was in our community was her pride.
I could write much, much more about her, and the things she’s done. She’s done a lot. But I won’t.
I could make up rumors about her, gather up some friends and start a long, never-ending harassment campaign against her. But I won’t.
I don’t hate her. I have no ill will toward her. I never have, and never will. I just want her to stop obsessing over me, and I don’t know how to achieve that.
Leave me alone. Leave my family alone. We want nothing to do with you. Stop spreading rumors about me. Go off and live your life and do something productive. Get help, like you yourself say you so badly need. Stop affiliating with the most destructive, antagonistic people on the internet.
Hi!
This is a pretty important read about some harassment my husband (avolontes / Marl) and I are undergoing right now. Learning from the last time, we’re not going to ignore this. You can read Marl’s words above on it, and shortly, you’ll be able to read a post which has log proof to counter the rumors being hurled at us. We’ve tried to ignore this kid for many months after the first time they posted these rumors, but now we can no longer ignore them because there’s a really spiteful post that’s gaining momentum.
In case you’re curious, we’re not the only people who this person has gone after. We’re not the only person who they’ve tried to spite. More on that with the post that will be coming shortly.
Thank you for reading this. I’m sorry to reblog this to my art blog, but I’m not going to sit and take complete bullshit. Ever.
I’m glad 17 year olds with a bone to pick and no real evidence get to dictate what stays on tumblr. This sort of nonsense is why it’s becoming clear I can’t fully commit to tumblr anymore. Enjoy the cesspit guys, this is the future for anyone who draw erotica on tumblr.
Also kudos on preemptively blocking me Kylie, really shows how adult you are when you are unwilling to talk to those you disagree with. How are you supposed to change the world to think exactly like you if we can’t even talk to you.
Hoo boy. Well obviously doing nsfw art is going to definitely be skirting around those issues at the very least, but… I mean… well, maybe it’s just because of my age, but Doxies work hasn’t struck me as being particularly more troublesome than most erotic art.
Ah, there we go. The whole thing boiled down to a deranged personal vendetta against Doxy. Be sure to read the comments on this post too, because several other extremely close minded SJWs piped in on things too. I wonder if Kylie actually did something that can be reported under the Tumblr terms of service, because I can’t think of anyone who deserves to have their accounts banned more right now. Is viewing a blog marked adult (Doxy’s old blog) while underaged (Kylie admits right there that they are only 17) a punishable offense here?
i don’t really want to get involved in this mess but i have to point out
you’re objecting to “a deranged personal vendetta” by “extremely closed minded SJWs”, but then in the very next sentence wondering how you can use the broken reporting system to punish someone you’re upset with
like, you want to uphold a standard of behavior, i totally get that. but you’re kinda sending mixed messages here
i wish internet discourse ever involved talking about the real point of dispute, instead of looking for ways to demonize or hurt other human beings
also i wish this pressure were being put on tumblr for not actually running their website that’s funded by our eyeballs. that seems more likely to lead to a useful outcome for everyone
i’m just so tired of hostility as the default response to every problem
These taleoftales and sunset fucks are so goddamn salty lmao, who knew marketing to SJW’s on SJW’s websites and hiring SJW’s to market your garbage would cause you to sell almost no games and go fucking bankrupt
Its almost as if SJW’s dont play fucking games and real gamers dont like your indie dev shit and politics forced on them while being told they are shit and gamers should die
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Protip for indie game makers:
Dont force your politics Dont insult your consumer bases Dont pander to people who dont play games Dont hire or market to SJW’s Dont hire Leigh Alexander AT ALL for anything regarding your game Make your games longer than 2 hours Walking simulators are shit so dont make them Gameplay is king Fuck off with your pretentious art projects
list of instructions about what kind of games to make, brought to you by the people who insist it’s censorship to tell game devs what kind of games to make
eta: it’s curious that this is blamed on “‘SJWs’ don’t play games” when i am neck-deep in social justice twitter and i never heard of this game or this studio until they were shutting down. it seems likely the real lesson here is merely: marketing is hard
ps maybe instead of whining about someone else’s game you should make your own lol
Anonymous asked:
as if it couldn't be more obvious. Why would the piece of shit known as Estioarem delete if not just to hide the evidence? why cant your piece of shit wife just delete by now? we have been gathering info we will pick you fucktard sjw fecal matter pity squad off one by one. :)
i’m not married and have never been married
good job gathering all that info though bro; i’m sure the president of the anime club is super proud of all your hard work
Anonymous asked:
🚨🚨🚨 Read the actual response, on Google Docs (CW: everything) 🚨🚨🚨
I apologize for the preposterous length of this document. Which is linked above, if that weren’t obvious. This post isn’t the response; it’s a shorter cover letter for the response. Yes, I know, “shorter”. There was a lot to respond to.
I’ve done this once before, to respond to the original callout from Pengo. I foolishly assumed that filling in all the gaps in his logs would put the entire matter to bed, but I was wrong. I’m still not sure if responding to him accomplished much at all, so it’s been hard to muster up the will to respond to subsequent callouts.
I’m sure I haven’t even scratched the surface here, but there’s only so much I can slog through. Writing this has been emotionally and physically exhausting. We don’t keep up with this stuff because it’s so draining to pore over through pages and pages of people talking about how awful they think you are.
I’ll respond to follow-up questions as I can (though probably on a side blog so I don’t flood everyone’s dashes), but I doubt I’ll produce something of this magnitude again anytime soon. I happened to start writing this just before my computer died, so I had little else to do for a few days — but now I have some serious catching up to do on work I’d intended to finish before the end of month.
There’s a lot in the document, and I understand that most people won’t want to read it all. So I’d like to talk about the accusation that I was responsible for the worst event of my life: the death of my young cat, Styx.
Styx died of FIP — a mutation of a very common and mostly harmless cat virus. FIP is hard to test for, has no known cure or even treatment, and kills virtually every cat within a few weeks of the first symptoms. Cats with weaker immune systems are more susceptible, so it’s more likely to hit very young cats. It’s a cruel, cruel disease.
Unfortunately, the only way to prevent FIP is to prevent the cat from ever catching the original harmless virus, which is very difficult in high-population places like catteries. Styx came from a cattery, and since all our cats are indoor cats, that’s almost certainly where he caught it.
One of the people behind these callout blogs suggests that Styx’s death is my fault. The reasoning, as I understand it, is that Styx died of an illness that’s spread mostly through feces, and they have a photo showing that Pearl had had an accident on our cat tree.
But this gets the details wrong. It’s the original, harmless virus that spreads through feces — and it does so because cats share litterboxes. Even if Styx hadn’t almost certainly brought it home with him in the first place, even if we’d known about it, even if our house were pristine at all times, preventing it from spreading would’ve been very difficult. And Pearl, who has accidents because she has IBS, wasn’t even born yet when Styx died.
My best guess is that someone read a paragraph on Wikipedia, saw a photo that had some stray cat poop in it, and concluded that Styx’s death was my fault. Both of the source facts are even true, so the story looks “proven”, even though 90% of it is either speculation or a misunderstanding of the details. Look how much shorter and punchier the false story is than the real one, too. That’s how this stuff spreads so easily.
Most of what I’ve read on these blogs is of similar quality.
They accuse glip of trying to lure children into seeing porn, because glip’s separate SFW and NSFW comic sites are, somehow, not separate enough. Meanwhile, their own blogs and posts — some about glip’s porn and serious sexual topics — appear prominently in SFW Tumblr searches for the SFW “floraverse” tag.
They accuse glip of scamming Kickstarter backers, but they don’t even get the right Kickstarter. They don’t bother to contact the people they’re using as evidence — people who are, in fact, quite happy with their backer rewards.
They call us out for being mean to people online, and cite snarky remarks from years ago that we’ve long since apologized for. Again, they don’t bother to ask the other people who were involved.
They accuse glip of inciting harassment by posting someone’s tweets with only the handle hidden, not the avatar. Later in the same post, they include completely uncensored tweets about trans representation from a trans woman they disagree with — neglecting to identify her as trans, but emphasizing that the person she was talking to is genderfluid. They then publish a couple anonymous asks gossipping about that trans woman.
They accuse glip of poor asexual representation over a character who draws from glip’s own experience with asexuality. They accuse glip of making a character too stereotypically autistic, but the character is based heavily on me.
They say repeatedly that glip’s work has poor trans representation, which is something we’d both definitely be interested in fixing. But they never say what would improve the work, only that it’s “obviously” fetishy (and not why). Our own trans friends, meanwhile, find their criticism downright offensive.
They’ve complained that I keep dismissing their accusations as mostly made up, even though the logs and screenshots are real. But anyone who’s played Phoenix Wright for five minutes is familiar with the idea of a false story “proven” by legitimate evidence.
They do have one genuine new grievance, which is that we said some fucked-up things to an autistic person on our IRC some years ago. It was embarrassing and inexcusable, and I apologize to that person.
And I’d certainly be interested in their criticism of representation, if I could make heads or tails of it — and if it acknowledged that some folks actively like the representation for the same reasons that they hate it. We can’t listen to everyone if different people have contradictory criticism.
But much of the rest is gossip, conjecture presented as fact, misunderstandings, and straight up just deciding that we’re lying because they like their first impression better. Even when they’re unsure about something, instead of tracking down someone who was actually involved, they ask for other anonymous people to chime in.
We do our best, like everyone else. Sometimes we screw up, and we try to fix it — and if you think we’ve personally wronged you, you can always contact us privately. Sometimes we do or make things that different people get very different impressions of, but that’s the nature of having an audience beyond just the people we know personally.
It’s okay if some people don’t like us. It’s okay if some people don’t like our work. I don’t even mind if people call me out for things that are actually true. I try, but I know I can’t ever please everyone. But playing internet detective with people’s lives, spreading dozens of twisted stories without doing even the most basic verification, is simply vile.