I’m on mobile so I’ll reply to vee’s reblog of my reply to pk when I get on my laptop and can add any caps I feel are relevant
In summary though, “nobody thinks they’re being ableist when they do this to her” - why is it ableist to point out she’s done questionable things and uses her fanbase to harass people that call her out, inadvertently or not?
why is it ableist to point out other people have done questionable things? why is it ableist to literally ask that someone not set off your anxiety, as your own screenshot shows?
why is it okay when other people inadvertently make untrue posts about her that get 3000 notes, but it’s not okay for her to use her side blog to respond to someone and get a couple dozen notes?
she prefers that people who don’t know her personally refer to her as “they” btw
The piece of shit remark being in the tags - how exactly was I supposed to magically know that when I couldn’t see tags since OP was deleted? And that’s why, in my reblog, I said “anywhere in the actual post”. If there’s a way to see tags from a deleted post, then you’re right, I apologize for being ignorant of that, I wasn’t thorough enough, and that was a bad thing to say.
there isn’t a way to see tags from a deleted post; i only managed to get a screenshot at the time because xkit had cached the tags.
i appreciate this apology. but i stress that you had no way of knowing either way, yet simply assumed that she was lying.
Doesn’t dismiss the bigger picture though.
oh, but that’s what makes this particularly bad: it kinda does! you were writing based on the assumption that there was no reason to respond to this person at all. and based on the post text alone, you would have been correct! neither of us would have cared if all they wanted was to be able to blacklist stuff tagged as “purplekecleon” for anxiety reasons.
but the tags insulted mel, based on false pretenses no less, and it was put in her tag where she would see it. someone called her something untrue and slapped her name on it. surprise, she thought that was kind of a mean thing to do.
Also you should have blacked out her URL. Stop drawing attention to that person. I’m sure she was stressed enough the first time you did it.
are you fucking kidding me right now? you left their name visible right in your last screenshot
Also I feel it’s disingenuous of you to not have reblogged my full reply so that people could see the context of my post. You nitpicked weak points, which is fair as there were a lot of them,
but you didn’t include the relevant context so that your followers or
anyone that sees the post on your end can draw their own conclusions
from my text. Sure they can click my username and read my post, but from
my experience a lot of people only take what’s put right in front of
them. Since you included some excerpts from my post, I’m sure there are a
good chunk of people that will assume that’s all I had to say.
i put it under a read-more so people wouldn’t have to see any of your post because i am trying to minimize any further public spectacle.
but since you insist i am replying to this one unedited. which is kind of silly — my inclination is to elide everything in this paragraph after the first sentence because it doesn’t do much to strengthen the point and just adds a lot of noise in between my words.
Also nice ignoring my main point. People are completely valid in reading PK as potentially abusive and want to stay away from her.
you can read her however you want. like her, dislike her, that’s fine. i believe i have been rather consistent in focusing on when people base their judgment on false pretenses which they then perpetuate, like you have done
for example, why would you assume she was lying about that person’s comment? i could easily speculate that you came in already not liking her for whatever reason, so you wanted to read her actions as unreasonable. given no objective way to know for sure, you assumed she was lying rather than telling the truth, because it fit with what you already believe.
i’m totally making that up of course; i have no way to know what happens in your head. but it does strike me as very odd that the quiet crux of your argument that someone is abusive relies on assuming that same person is deceiving you. i.e. someone is a bad person, because they are a bad person.
i mean, the default assumption we tend to make is that other people are telling us the truth, right? that’s natural. that’s why people believe pengo.
Her call-out comic was hypocritical as fuck considering she called out a random user to her very large fanbase and did not show the slightest bit of sympathy when that sent the person into an anxiety attack.
again this was her side blog which has orders of magnitude fewer eyeballs on it. and all she did was ask someone not to give her anxiety by putting insults somewhere she is very likely to see them. you know kinda like exactly what was done by the person you’re defending.
and again, there was a private followup conversation between myself and this person that ended fairly amicably
Bonus points for the whole “nah I was saying look how we feel not minimizing her anxiety!” thing. Really, good job trying. But exactly how else is somebody supposed to read “I know you feel really really terrible right now but imagine how you’re feeling but a thousand times worse. That’s us.” ?
umm, exactly like that? like, you’re anxious, that sucks and i feel for you, but also please use this opportunity to try to empathize with how the past six months have been for us? i don’t know how you think i should express “imagine something worse” in a way that doesn’t minimize how they feel. how would you phrase it?
as i recall my conversation with this person did end with their understanding where we’re coming from, and my expressing gratitude for that, so it’s really bizarre that you’re now criticizing us on their behalf
weregaruru:
why is it ableist to point out other people have done questionable things? why is it ableist to literally ask that someone not set off your anxiety, as your own screenshot shows?
why is it okay when other people inadvertently make untrue posts about her that get 3000 notes, but it’s not okay for her to use her side blog to respond to someone and get a couple dozen notes?
she prefers that people who don’t know her personally refer to her as “they” btw
there isn’t a way to see tags from a deleted post; i only managed to get a screenshot at the time because xkit had cached the tags.
i appreciate this apology. but i stress that you had no way of knowing either way, yet simply assumed that she was lying.
oh, but that’s what makes this particularly bad: it kinda does! you were writing based on the assumption that there was no reason to respond to this person at all. and based on the post text alone, you would have been correct! neither of us would have cared if all they wanted was to be able to blacklist stuff tagged as “purplekecleon” for anxiety reasons.
but the tags insulted mel, based on false pretenses no less, and it was put in her tag where she would see it. someone called her something untrue and slapped her name on it. surprise, she thought that was kind of a mean thing to do.
are you fucking kidding me right now? you left their name visible right in your last screenshot
i put it under a read-more so people wouldn’t have to see any of your post because i am trying to minimize any further public spectacle.
but since you insist i am replying to this one unedited. which is kind of silly — my inclination is to elide everything in this paragraph after the first sentence because it doesn’t do much to strengthen the point and just adds a lot of noise in between my words.
you can read her however you want. like her, dislike her, that’s fine. i believe i have been rather consistent in focusing on when people base their judgment on false pretenses which they then perpetuate, like you have done
for example, why would you assume she was lying about that person’s comment? i could easily speculate that you came in already not liking her for whatever reason, so you wanted to read her actions as unreasonable. given no objective way to know for sure, you assumed she was lying rather than telling the truth, because it fit with what you already believe.
i’m totally making that up of course; i have no way to know what happens in your head. but it does strike me as very odd that the quiet crux of your argument that someone is abusive relies on assuming that same person is deceiving you. i.e. someone is a bad person, because they are a bad person.
i mean, the default assumption we tend to make is that other people are telling us the truth, right? that’s natural. that’s why people believe pengo.
again this was her side blog which has orders of magnitude fewer eyeballs on it. and all she did was ask someone not to give her anxiety by putting insults somewhere she is very likely to see them. you know kinda like exactly what was done by the person you’re defending.
and again, there was a private followup conversation between myself and this person that ended fairly amicably
umm, exactly like that? like, you’re anxious, that sucks and i feel for you, but also please use this opportunity to try to empathize with how the past six months have been for us? i don’t know how you think i should express “imagine something worse” in a way that doesn’t minimize how they feel. how would you phrase it?
as i recall my conversation with this person did end with their understanding where we’re coming from, and my expressing gratitude for that, so it’s really bizarre that you’re now criticizing us on their behalf